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Post by Calefrun on Mar 29, 2010 22:28:09 GMT -5
Humorously enough, I read that and thought, "Yeah it begins, unless Lucco logs in, starts being a dick, and starts the whole argument over again." |
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Post by Calefrun on Mar 29, 2010 22:29:36 GMT -5
Speaking of which, again with that flatscreen thing. Keep in mind we're not talking about the rich here, some people might actually have bigger problems then television if they're taxed too much.
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Post by thecheat on Mar 29, 2010 22:31:00 GMT -5
Ah, you noticed my flair for exaggeration. The point still stands, however, that there are few problems worse than not being able to pay for healthcare when you're sick. That applies to the less affluent middle class, as well.
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Post by thecheat on Mar 29, 2010 22:32:32 GMT -5
Humorously enough, I read that and thought, "Yeah it begins, unless Lucco logs in, starts being a dick, and starts the whole argument over again." I am a dick with a mission, thank you very much. Based on who's winning the argument right now, I'm also correct. I guess I'm the right dick for the job. Also note that the argument was coming to a close because Derrick wasn't around to stir the pot. |
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Post by Calefrun on Mar 29, 2010 23:17:11 GMT -5
I'll agree with that last part, and maybe the first part, but the middle two sentences are opinionated.
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Post by Myrdraxxis on Mar 30, 2010 11:42:41 GMT -5
Humorously enough, I read that and thought, "Yeah it begins, unless Lucco logs in, starts being a dick, and starts the whole argument over again." I am a dick with a mission, thank you very much. Based on who's winning the argument right now, I'm also correct. I guess I'm the right dick for the job. Also note that the argument was coming to a close because Derrick wasn't around to stir the pot. You're winning in your own mind, mah boi |
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 30, 2010 14:25:03 GMT -5
Well now we have the Healthcare Bill so you can't choose to let people suffer and/or die in order to buy a nicer flatscreen. How is this even applicable? I'm talking about it's not the job of everyone else to take care of the poor. THEY SHOULD help, but it's not their job. If the government wants to give 'em free healthcare, that's fine, but don't shoulder the American working people with the burden when they obviously don't want it. |
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Post by thecheat on Mar 30, 2010 16:17:59 GMT -5
The American people don't even understand the issue anymore. The whole debate has been blown way out of proportion by the media, chiefly Fox News.
"I should but I wont," is not a legitimate argument, it's just being immature.
I'm winning this argument because my points have yet to be presented with legitimate counterpoints to my intelligent statements.
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 30, 2010 16:18:52 GMT -5
How is that immature?
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Post by Xelwes on Mar 30, 2010 16:28:34 GMT -5
There are still working class people who can not afford healthcare. Its not that they don't want it. They can't afford it. Which this bill is trying to help with. There are the lazy bastards out there that just want to get free money, but you're grouping the entire 'poor' population into lazy selfish bastards.
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 30, 2010 16:30:52 GMT -5
I agree.
What I'm saying is, if the government wants to help those people, then THEY should do it, not say "Hey. let's give the poor free healthcare" and then make everyone else pay for it.
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Post by Xelwes on Mar 30, 2010 16:36:48 GMT -5
They don't have money coming from their ass. They need to tax to get more money. They're avoiding pulling money out of Social Security, like they already do.
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 30, 2010 16:37:39 GMT -5
BUT NOBODY WANTS THIS HEALTHCARE PLAN EXCEPT FOR THE GOVERNMENT
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Post by thecheat on Mar 30, 2010 16:46:27 GMT -5
That is an exaggeration and you know it. I think that far more people will be in favor of the Healthcare Bill once it's implemented and the benefits start coming it. You know why? Because it HAS benefits. It's not legislation requiring you to throw your firstborn son to hungry sharks, it's legislation designed to help people. I have no problem with the government helping people. I DO have a problem with people who have a problem with helping people. You know why? Because that's selfish. It's also immature. Pretend to be a real adult for twelve seconds and look outside yourself and what benefits you.
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Post by TEAM_DERRICK on Mar 30, 2010 16:51:21 GMT -5
That is an exaggeration and you know it. I think that far more people will be in favor of the Healthcare Bill once it's implemented and the benefits start coming it. You know why? Because it HAS benefits. It's not legislation requiring you to throw your firstborn son to hungry sharks, it's legislation designed to help people. I have no problem with the government helping people. I DO have a problem with people who have a problem with helping people. You know why? Because that's selfish. It's also immature. Pretend to be a real adult for twelve seconds and look outside yourself and what benefits you. THANK YOU! |
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 30, 2010 17:09:11 GMT -5
I don't like being forced to do anything. That's not immature, that's my life. Not everyone likes to be pushed around.
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Post by TEAM_DERRICK on Mar 30, 2010 19:07:27 GMT -5
suck it up
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Post by Monika on Mar 30, 2010 19:48:46 GMT -5
Switching sides for a moment here, I'll have to agree with Lucco and Derrick. While everyone is entitled to his or her own choice, there are just some choices that are inherently wrong. The "knowing that you should do something yet refusing to anyway solely because it's easier on you/you have the choice to/whatever" choices fall under this category.
If I recall correctly, the government was formed to do what is best for the majority of people. If the majority of them would appreciate easier access to health care, then the government has no choice but to use its magical hammer of redistribution and force the minority (i.e. those who can completely fend for themselves in the world) to lend a helping hand. Going back to what Wesley said, the government wants to help, but it can't just create aid to those in need out of thin air. (That would be akin to alchemy, which is impossible as far as I know.) They instead have to take this aid from somewhere, and the solution is to take it from everyone else.
The philanthropist in me is defeating the selfish, money loving being in me...
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Post by Monika on Mar 30, 2010 19:53:12 GMT -5
Looking at it this way, our choices are:
A) Take money from Americans and give it to those in need
B) Borrow more money from China to help those in need and triple our deficit. It's only a matter of time before they start coming in to...collect their payments. I'M TALKIN MOB BOSS STYLE COLLECTION, FOLKS.
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Post by thecheat on Mar 30, 2010 22:18:44 GMT -5
You obviously don't understand what it means to be a mature adult and productive member of society. You see, society is an aggregation of individuals. Not just one individual. So, if you are to be a productive in society, you must serve that society. Keeping it alive is one of the bigger ways to do that. BAM, Healthcare. Immaturity would be failing to realize that you're not the only person out there and that your choices affect other people. You've gone beyond the initial failure of immaturity to forced ignorance. I want to call that insane. Or maybe just retarded? The mentally handicapped are actually often afflicted with an impaired theory of mind, which is their perception of how other people think. You're starting to exhibit that symptom. The mentally handicapped are also symptomatic of arrested mental development, also known as mental immaturity. Are you starting to notice a pattern here? Grow up.
Austin, according to the Federalist Papers the US Government was NOT designed to cater the the majority. It was designed to prevent the majority from drowning out the minority at the expense of the greater good. The way I see it, the minority of Americans that actually need this Healthcare bill would have been drowned out by the majority of Americans who didn't had it not been for the government's ability to bypass the majority, which is not necessarily right and most likely wrong in some cases, in favor of granting the minority factions the legislation they need. Now, I've seen the argument several times that the majority of the country is opposed to Healthcare. Other than what I've already said about media hype swelling those numbers using pseudo-facts, it is also true that the majority of the country can very possibly be wrong. Thankfully, James Madison's representative democracy allows the government to operate justly despite ignorance, selfishness, or whatever else motivates the wrongful majority.
OH MY, REAL FACTS. WHATEVER WILL WE DO?
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