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Post by Calefrun on Mar 29, 2010 20:35:34 GMT -5
lol, what I was thinkinking. that post- SOCIALIST- post -CAPITALISM (supposed to look closer to capitalism) |
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 29, 2010 20:36:08 GMT -5
now i know we wont fight over politics |
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 29, 2010 20:37:08 GMT -5
lol, what I was thinkinking. if theres a reason to do better, its not socialism |
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Post by Razgat on Mar 29, 2010 20:37:19 GMT -5
now i know we wont fight over politics That's always a good thing. |
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Post by Myrdraxxis on Mar 29, 2010 20:44:34 GMT -5
we should be a civil rights love fest
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 29, 2010 20:50:17 GMT -5
YES.
/serious
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 29, 2010 20:51:57 GMT -5
actually Adam, we should become Edenists
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Post by Myrdraxxis on Mar 29, 2010 20:54:46 GMT -5
YES
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Post by Xelwes on Mar 29, 2010 20:57:40 GMT -5
I've said before I'm a democratic Socialist. When you say Democratic you say you have the ability to vote, no? Have a general vote. No one lives under the poverty line. Have the government intervene more. Doctors all get the same paycheck. Have a minimum requirement for that job. Such as must have this education to get this job to get this amount of money. Everyone who wants to be a doctor will go to school for x amount of years, and get y pay. Everyone who wants to be a physicist will go to school x amount of years and get y pay. Incentives implemented to encourage people going for these jobs will be higher coverage on health care, or something thats actually needed. It can be changed. But you don't set up Socialism without thinking it through.
You don't let people just sit there and leech off your working class. you get them working or get them out. That garbage man example was just that an example. You get people to do the jobs by giving them incentives to do it. But you do it without letting it get out of hand.
Or you can do exactly what the U.S. is doing. You set up Socialist institutions, such as school, the police department, health care, and the fire department. Tone down the corruption a bit with a little intervention.
Oh, by the way, that health care you seem to all miss has a dark side. Many people have lost their health care just by getting sick. By getting in a car crash. Or by even having diabetes. They've been allowed to cut working class people off, after being paid the premiums, just because "You didn't tell us about that ambulance ride prior to the event." There have been witness accounts of people who worked for health care agencies that have said that the more reasons they've come up with to eliminate someone's plan when they really need it the more money they get in their paycheck. That's being eliminated.
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Post by Razgat on Mar 29, 2010 21:04:28 GMT -5
You can't really count doctors as a whole. If you were to have different levels of pay depending on the type of doctor, than yeah, but then that would be back to where we are now kinda. Some doctors will mostly work with normal stuff and will have to send other more extreme cases to the hospital, like my dad. When he burnt his arm, they sent him to the hospital right away. Those doctors are are very different from hospital doctors. Dr's office doctors will prescribe medicine when you're sick, give you shots, listen for what's wrong while hospital doctors will do more tests and send you to the ER in a jiff....mostly because it's in the same building. I know the doctor was just an example, but there are other jobs like this, too. You can't count them as a whole because others simply deal with way more.
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 29, 2010 21:08:33 GMT -5
Wes, we are basically there right now. But we are arguing with pure socialist/communist Derrick
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 29, 2010 21:09:33 GMT -5
but less govt intervetion = better
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Post by Xelwes on Mar 29, 2010 21:10:49 GMT -5
Well thats kind of a given, you need more specialized doctors, but I generalized. You don't let the amount of education affect the pay. You don't want a uneducated blob though. So you take the medium. You take the educated, the people who worked their way there and give them that job. Those who didn't make the cut, go to other possibilities. Like I said, you wouldn't use this system unless you really thought it out.
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Post by Xelwes on Mar 29, 2010 21:12:51 GMT -5
Actually, the more the govt intervened in the Depression the faster we got out. And FDR was a implementing socialist programs.
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 29, 2010 21:18:17 GMT -5
Actually, the more the govt intervened in the Depression the faster we got out. And FDR was a implementing socialist programs. Which may have deepened the hole witg MOAR SPENDING!!!! And WWII pulled us out, not FDR. Why not reward more education? The more educated you are, the more qualified you are, and the better you are at the job. I'd want a doctor with more education |
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Post by Calefrun on Mar 29, 2010 21:25:40 GMT -5
Lol, I'm kind of curious to see what would happen if we found a solution we all agreed on. I can imagine this thread dying with a round of "well okay then"s. XD
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Post by Monika on Mar 29, 2010 21:26:30 GMT -5
I've said before I'm a democratic Socialist. When you say Democratic you say you have the ability to vote, no? Have a general vote. No one lives under the poverty line. Have the government intervene more. Doctors all get the same paycheck. Have a minimum requirement for that job. Such as must have this education to get this job to get this amount of money. Everyone who wants to be a doctor will go to school for x amount of years, and get y pay. Everyone who wants to be a physicist will go to school x amount of years and get y pay. Off topic, but that paragraph reminds me of that board game "The Game of Life". |
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 29, 2010 21:29:17 GMT -5
Lol, I'm kind of curious to see what would happen if we found a solution we all agreed on. I can imagine this thread dying with a round of "well okay then"s. XD I would actually love for this to happen |
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Post by Myrdraxxis on Mar 29, 2010 21:29:18 GMT -5
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Post by Xelwes on Mar 29, 2010 21:29:54 GMT -5
Keynesian logic: the more money put into the consumer's hands the more that money will be taxed. The more taxed the more the government will obtain. The multiplier effect.
Plus, we were already coming out. We were getting more jobs. The unemployment rates were fantastic just before the WW2 even broke out. Sure WW2 boosted the economy, but those jobs always bail once the need is over.
About rewarding more education. Sure, but do that on their own money they saved up. Get more incentives for it so they'll go for it. And not all doctors are better at their jobs with more education. While most are, its not 100%. If they get those incentives or not should be based on whether or not they actually improve. If they do, give it. If they don't, then they stay where they are at. They're will always people who just go so they'll get more money. You make sure they actually learned.
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