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Post by Myrdraxxis on Mar 29, 2010 20:05:04 GMT -5
BULLSHIT. Then whats the point of an education besides just wanting to? That sort of ideology doesnt hold up to reality.
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 29, 2010 20:06:41 GMT -5
fine. doctors then.
one requires years of schooling to be, and is responsible for hundreds of human lives a day. The other...hell, anyone can take out the trash.
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 29, 2010 20:07:51 GMT -5
BULLSHIT. Then whats the point of an education besides just wanting to? That sort of ideology doesnt hold up to reality. my next point. socialism promotes laziness and less eduction |
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Post by Monika on Mar 29, 2010 20:09:45 GMT -5
If people are born with such inherent laziness that prevents them from wanting to work in the first place (and laziness truly is the problem in this situation), what's to say that others won't all abandon their higher up positions as chefs or managers or whatever and reduce themselves to something less stressful for the same pay as the trash guy? No one would want to be a doctor (The ONLY incentive to be one is the money, I assure you.) when they can live just as nicely as the fast food fry cook. Then we'd start having drafts for doctors like we do the army, and everyone would have to be assigned a career for the collective good of the people. People would then get upset, they'd start a revolution, and we'd back to where we were 300 years ago.
On another note, just eradicate the non-working poor. Problem solved. Line each person up one by one and give them five days to find a job. Otherwise we execute them. Fewer to feed, fewer to disperse the wealth to (if it has to be dispersed), fewer to take the others' hard earned money...
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Post by Myrdraxxis on Mar 29, 2010 20:10:52 GMT -5
exactly. They say it betters society by bringing everyone to the same level. Lets face the cold hard facts. All it does is bring society DOWN because the majority of the population cannot support a good living for EVERYONE.
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Post by Calefrun on Mar 29, 2010 20:11:45 GMT -5
If people are born with such inherent laziness that prevents them from wanting to work in the first place (and laziness truly is the problem in this situation), what's to say that others won't all abandon their higher up positions as chefs or managers or whatever and reduce themselves to something less stressful for the same pay as the trash guy? No one would want to be a doctor (The ONLY incentive to be one is the money, I assure you.) when they can live just as nicely as the fast food fry cook. Then we'd start having drafts for doctors like we do the army, and everyone would have to be assigned a career for the collective good of the people. People would then get upset, they'd start a revolution, and we'd back to where we were 300 years ago. On another note, just eradicate the non-working poor. Problem solved. Line each person up one by one and give them five days to find a job. Otherwise we execute them. Fewer to feed, fewer to disperse the wealth to (if it has to be dispersed), fewer to take the others' hard earned money... first paragraph- the idea behind my last several posts in understandable, paragraph form second paragraph- hmmm.... I kinda like that idear... |
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Post by Myrdraxxis on Mar 29, 2010 20:11:48 GMT -5
If people are born with such inherent laziness that prevents them from wanting to work in the first place (and laziness truly is the problem in this situation), what's to say that others won't all abandon their higher up positions as chefs or managers or whatever and reduce themselves to something less stressful for the same pay as the trash guy? No one would want to be a doctor (The ONLY incentive to be one is the money, I assure you.) when they can live just as nicely as the fast food fry cook. Then we'd start having drafts for doctors like we do the army, and everyone would have to be assigned a career for the collective good of the people. People would then get upset, they'd start a revolution, and we'd back to where we were 300 years ago. On another note, just eradicate the non-working poor. Problem solved. Line each person up one by one and give them five days to find a job. Otherwise we execute them. Fewer to feed, fewer to disperse the wealth to (if it has to be dispersed), fewer to take the others' hard earned money... we'll make a malevolent dictatorship thread for you Austin.... |
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 29, 2010 20:12:30 GMT -5
except for that last bit, i agree with austin.
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Post by Calefrun on Mar 29, 2010 20:13:30 GMT -5
The last part is insane and unrealistic, but would make things soooooooo much easier.
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 29, 2010 20:18:19 GMT -5
what if your just SOL and got laid off?
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Post by Calefrun on Mar 29, 2010 20:22:27 GMT -5
One of the reasons why it wouldn't work. But still...
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 29, 2010 20:23:18 GMT -5
lolz
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Post by Razgat on Mar 29, 2010 20:25:42 GMT -5
I've only read a little bit of this, and I know that what your background is will influence your choices. For instance, if your lower class, socialism is more appealing, like back during the industrial time. It was the same way with communism during the great depression. People turned to it because it seemed more appealing at the time. Maybe because of our situation now, socialism seems appealing to those who are lower class. I'm not saying any of it's bad. It's probably the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for them, but it can also be the pebble in the shoe for others.
I, actually, don't really think Socialism will work. I don't hate it. I just don't think it will work, mainly for certain reasons. I think it gives no motivation. I know people say they'll work for a better cause, but I don't think anyone would actually do it. When a teacher gives you a worksheet, why do you do it? It's a class you don't really need for your planned future career, and it's stuff you already know, so why do you do it? For a grade. Because if you don't, you fail. Without the possibility of failing, there's no point in trying.
I also think that certain jobs need different pay. It takes about four years in college to get a normal job, but it takes even more to do something like teaching or surgery or quantum physics. You might think, well some of these simple jobs are more important, and we don't really need those higher jobs. Well, at the moment and in short term, those jobs are important, but what if someone who studied fish suddenly stopped studying and no one else was there to study them. In the long run, we could miss out on a lot of knowledge. You might think, fish aren't really that important, but what if there was a fish who's blood cured cancer or a fish that ate pollution. No one would no they did that without those jobs, but since everyone gets paid the same, there might not be as many researchers willing to research fish because they could easily get an easier job. Yes, we'd still have those who devote their time to it, but research would slow down dramatically. Plus, certain jobs have different scenarios. One job might have smilin bob at the office working happlily until he comes home to his family while the other may have a surgen who has to work hours in surgery with car accident victems, organ transplants, or someone who was shot. Not all of them would make it, and that puts a lot of pressure on the surgen. He has the worries of the victem's families on his shoulders while smilin' bob has a warm happy time. Yes, the surgen might be doing what they love, but don't you think they deserve a little more for all their work? That's why I don't think everyone should be paid the same. There are just those that truly deserve more.
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Post by Xelwes on Mar 29, 2010 20:25:41 GMT -5
Federal jobs with incentives. You don't just leave part of your country weak. You put incentives where needed to keep people working. But you don't it get to the point of people leeching off of the government. It can even be taken to the point of setting a starting income for specific jobs and then giving raises based on performance. It doesn't encourage laziness and less education if you actually work out a system that'll work. But the basic idea of socialism is to allow everyone to work and live while stimulating the economy. If everyone is given a paycheck that they can live off of, and live a good life, then whats so bad? You'll be healthy, fed, and have recreation. You'll have a life and not have to worry so much about how you'll feed your kids and wife.
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Post by Calefrun on Mar 29, 2010 20:29:19 GMT -5
OMGMASSIVEPOST
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 29, 2010 20:30:50 GMT -5
nicole, youre amazing.
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Post by Xelwes on Mar 29, 2010 20:32:42 GMT -5
Federal jobs with incentives. You don't just leave part of your country weak. You put incentives where needed to keep people working. But you don't it get to the point of people leeching off of the government. It can even be taken to the point of setting a starting income for specific jobs and then giving raises based on performance. It doesn't encourage laziness and less education if you actually work out a system that'll work. But the basic idea of socialism is to allow everyone to work and live while stimulating the economy. If everyone is given a paycheck that they can live off of, and live a good life, then whats so bad? You'll be healthy, fed, and have recreation. You'll have a life and not have to worry so much about how you'll feed your kids and wife. |
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 29, 2010 20:32:44 GMT -5
also:
jesus, I thought I was an idealist, but it turns out I'm more grounded in reality than I thought
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Post by Mizagium on Mar 29, 2010 20:33:30 GMT -5
Federal jobs with incentives. You don't just leave part of your country weak. You put incentives where needed to keep people working. But you don't it get to the point of people leeching off of the government. It can even be taken to the point of setting a starting income for specific jobs and then giving raises based on performance. It doesn't encourage laziness and less education if you actually work out a system that'll work. But the basic idea of socialism is to allow everyone to work and live while stimulating the economy. If everyone is given a paycheck that they can live off of, and live a good life, then whats so bad? You'll be healthy, fed, and have recreation. You'll have a life and not have to worry so much about how you'll feed your kids and wife. not socialism |
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Post by Razgat on Mar 29, 2010 20:34:38 GMT -5
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