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Post by TEAM_DERRICK on Oct 28, 2009 19:07:02 GMT -5
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Post by thecheat on Oct 28, 2009 19:07:23 GMT -5
I admit, I shouldn't be putting your beloved Turtledove down, but that's not really what I'm trying to do. I got drawn into that argument because that's what you guys heard. What I was originally saying is that I feel like you guys should move on to bigger enterprises. If you're going to read (and enjoy) a book, why not make it one that means something more than just "the plot is over, the end" (and also supplies enjoyment)?
I could care less about War and Peace. It's not all it's cracked up to be. I know more about literature because I read more than most people, including you. Kind of like how you know more about Soviet Russia because you've read more about it than most, including me.
It's more about broadening your horizons than anything, and you guys take it as an offense that I want you to step out of the tunnel and see the rest of the landscape. If I was really that pretentious wouldn't I be more inclined to let you all stagnate so I could feel superior rather than encourage you to take the initiative to self-educate?
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Post by TEAM_DERRICK on Oct 28, 2009 19:09:43 GMT -5
Ok. How about this. We don't read shit. You don't read shit. We all read good shit. You just prefer older shit, and we prefer newer shit
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Post by thecheat on Oct 28, 2009 19:11:58 GMT -5
I will make one apology and one apology only. I went about my argument all wrong. I offended instead of inspired, and that's all there is to it. Everyone starts out in a hole and I feel like I've taken a few more steps towards tunneling out than the average teenager. I want to extend my hand back to you so you can smell the fresh air and I turn around to see you playing with worms instead of digging. I got distracted and tried to kick dirt over the worms instead of showing you what I found, and that's where I went wrong. That's the best metaphor I can piece together right now.
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Post by thecheat on Oct 28, 2009 19:13:47 GMT -5
Kurt Vonnegut, Tom Wolfe, and Hunter S. Thompson are new shit. Lovecraft, Fitzgerald, and Hemingway are new-ish shit. I like them (I haven't read Lovecraft yet, but I like what I've seen so far).
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Post by thecheat on Oct 28, 2009 19:14:13 GMT -5
Salinger is new shit, too. The Catcher in the Rye is one of my favorite books.
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Post by Myrdraxxis on Oct 28, 2009 19:14:44 GMT -5
you're so humble it's frightening...
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Post by TEAM_DERRICK on Oct 28, 2009 19:15:26 GMT -5
angst/THERE! YOU FUCKING DID IT AGAIN! STOP REFERRING TO THE STUFF WE READ AS FILTH!
/angst
Seriously, the stuff we read tends to be pretty good. Its just not old and are thus not yet regarded as classics. (although H.P. Lovecraft is one of the most prolific American writers of all time. Hell, no H.P. Lovecraft, no Stephen King.)
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Post by TEAM_DERRICK on Oct 28, 2009 19:16:33 GMT -5
that last post reads somewhat hostile.... oops
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Post by Monika on Oct 28, 2009 19:17:19 GMT -5
I will make one apology and one apology only. PRINT SCREEN'D FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. And on a less comical note, congratulations to Lucco for resolving (or at least attempting to) the argument peacefully. And on an even less comical note, I ACCEPT LUCCO'S CHALLENGE. I haven't read a good book outside of AP Lit in a while and I think my analysis skills have suffered for it... |
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Post by Myrdraxxis on Oct 28, 2009 19:17:30 GMT -5
so on a different note:
Derrick, just saw the new NC review! Superman 4! Both NC and Linkara review it!
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Post by thecheat on Oct 28, 2009 19:19:41 GMT -5
The secret to AP Lit is reading a lot. The more you read the easier it gets, especially in regards to classics.
Derrick, I already recognized Lovecraft as a respected writer. I'm bring you Vonnegut tomorrow, you'll see what I mean. It's not just about good writing, it's about depth.
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Post by Monika on Oct 28, 2009 19:19:48 GMT -5
so on a different note: Derrick, just saw the new NC review! Superman 4! Both NC and Linkara review it! LINKARA PISSED ME OFF THE FIRST 2 MINUTES, STEALIN MAH NOSTALGIA CRITIC REVIEW TIME |
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Post by Monika on Oct 28, 2009 19:22:12 GMT -5
The secret to AP Lit is reading a lot. The more you read the easier it gets, especially in regards to classics. Derrick, I already recognized Lovecraft as a respected writer. Austin is going to craft a master plan to hijack Vonnegut from me tomorrow, so you won't see what I mean. It's not just about good writing, it's about depth. |
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Post by thecheat on Oct 28, 2009 19:23:11 GMT -5
Also, I could care less about the age of a work. It doesn't have to have been written on a slate to be good, it just has to be GOOD. The Catcher in the Rye was published in 1951 and that's considered a classic. Vonnegut wrote novels in the 60's that are considered classics. Fahrenheit 451 was published in 1951 and that's considered a classic. Those are all relatively recent. The writer doesn't have to be dead to be good.
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Post by TEAM_DERRICK on Oct 28, 2009 19:23:25 GMT -5
so on a different note: Derrick, just saw the new NC review! Superman 4! Both NC and Linkara review it! I KNOW! IT FUCKING ROCKS! Oh and Austin? how long have you known about the good ol' NC? |
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Post by TEAM_DERRICK on Oct 28, 2009 19:25:18 GMT -5
Also, I could care less about the age of a work. It doesn't have to have been written on a slate to be good, it just has to be GOOD. The Catcher in the Rye was published in 1951 and that's considered a classic. Vonnegut wrote novels in the 60's that are considered classics. Fahrenheit 451 was published in 1951 and that's considered a classic. Those are all relatively recent. The writer doesn't have to be dead to be good. Harry Turtledove is considered by nearly the whole damn planet to be the greatest alternate history/ historical fiction writer of the late 20th and early 21st century. |
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Post by Monika on Oct 28, 2009 19:27:36 GMT -5
so on a different note: Derrick, just saw the new NC review! Superman 4! Both NC and Linkara review it! I KNOW! IT FUCKING ROCKS! Oh and Austin? how long have you known about the good ol' NC? I actually have you to thank for that, Derrick. A few weeks ago when you posted that MMPR review by NC I had to see what kind of monster would say such a thing about one of my favorite childhood movies. And then I looked him up...THE REST, AS THEY SAY, IS HISTORY |
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Post by thecheat on Oct 28, 2009 19:27:52 GMT -5
I haven't read him so I wont claim to be an expert, but historical fiction is a gray area. It sounds to me like his are more fun than substance. Remind me to read one, I'll see if I can't confirm it.
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Post by TEAM_DERRICK on Oct 29, 2009 16:03:01 GMT -5
I haven't read him so I wont claim to be an expert, but historical fiction is a gray area. It sounds to me like his are more fun than substance. Remind me to read one, I'll see if I can't confirm it. k |
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